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Tormunda · May 06, 2005, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

but sometimes noobs dont even bring a damn rez sig.

I mean why?
Really... Why?
Please someone tell me why you don't bring a Res-Sig with you?
There must be a player out there that can tell me why they do PvP or Co-op missions without any method of Res at all. (solo is obvious! lol)
Come on...
I really want to know!
Maybe you have some stunning revalation that we all need to know!
Ah! Maybe it's like 'Hardcore' mode to some players. lol!

Manderlock · May 06, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Hehe, I have to say it, spaming that is a another of my pep-peves

EDIT:this is about the rez plz spaming, another post snuck in there.

Yea I'd like learn about the "Why I dont bring a rez sig" state of mind, but I dont speak stupid

Jackell · May 06, 2005, 12:11 PM // 12:11

I don't bring a rez signet with me anymore.

90% of the time when shit goes down with my PUG my healers gonna panic and forget that he can heal. Since I seem to be the only person who understands "Protect the healer", I'm usually the first one in the group dead, while everyone else targets their own individual group of 4 mobs and chrages off in different directions, like a bottle rocket in the sky.

And then they spam party chat with WTF WHER WRE U GUYS?

I'd rather have Muffin, my trusty Melundu's stalker in that spot. Sure, I may not have any skills for her, but at least she'll never say WTF DO EVERYTHING I SAY NOOB!

Manderlock · May 06, 2005, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Jackell

I don't bring a rez signet with me anymore.

90% of the time when shit goes down with my PUG my healers gonna panic and forget that he can heal. Since I seem to be the only person who understands "Protect the healer", I'm usually the first one in the group dead, while everyone else targets their own individual group of 4 mobs and chrages off in different directions, like a bottle rocket in the sky.

And then they spam party chat with WTF WHER WRE U GUYS?

I'd rather have Muffin, my trusty Melundu's stalker in that spot. Sure, I may not have any skills for her, but at least she'll never say WTF DO EVERYTHING I SAY NOOB!

Im sorry guy, but not taking a rez sig is one the more absent minded thing you can do. The pet you have does nothing, and you hae no real reason *not* to have a sig. You die first so what, if you get rezed then the monk dies you are that party's last hope.

Darqueshadow · May 06, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Most of what is being posted here is the reason I use henchman. Found more bad PUGs then good and would rather take henchman. I know this does not work for PvP but PvE it is nice not to have to listen to some of the more immature players.

As others have stated, do not take it to heart, add to ignore if you are so inclined and move on. Do not let others ruin the game for you. Play it the way you feel, not that l33t players way.

Weezer_Blue · May 06, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by Jarell

I decided before I logged for the night, I would try some PvP. We win 3 battles, then the fourth battle we lose, I had been attacking the monk, and when I ran out of energy I split off and starting attacking some warrior that was attacking me. After I die, I look at the messages, and one of the people starts yelling at me calling me an "idiot piece of trash" and swearing at me and stuff. Ok, now I see where you were saying "I am attacking so and so" thing, and now I know you focus fire, but was it really necessary to get so angry?
When I try to say calm down it's just a game, they say that it's not the game they hate, but me. Honestly, we lose one pvp battle and you're hating people?
Why do people take it so seriously? Yes I am a noob, you can point out mistakes without being a total prick about it.

you didn't lose your match because ONE person didn't focus fire the called target. that guy was just looking for something to bitch about cause he lost.

Bone_White_Haze · May 06, 2005, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

you didn't lose your match because ONE person didn't focus fire the called target. that guy was just looking for something to bitch about cause he lost.

Reminds me of a failed mission the other day. Team gets 90% of the way through, then the leader follows one set of guards while the prince heads off the other direction (getting himself killed, ending the mission).

Leader's response: "Thanks for wasting my time, again".

Odd how we were simply following his lead, but it's everyone else's fault...hmm.

People are bitchy when they lose, at least those prone to being jerks in the first place are. You shrug it off, add them to your list of people to never team with, and move on. He'll be a problem for his guild to worry about.

Nefser · May 06, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Aye, some poeple can't see their faults at all, but others don't seem to be willing to accept that some people care 'more' about some things than they may.

Also, people are bitchy when they lose, but get a bit kraizee when its due to players:
- not working as a team
- not following leaders orders
- seems to randomly attack targets

Anyway, we don't know the whole story here. Jarell mentions 3 previous battles they won and then losing the last. For all we know this player was continually not FF'ing...(which I infer as he hadn't noticed about the FF statement during fight #4, so may have missed in earlier in that fight or in the other battles as well) and finally in this battle the monk was turning the tide for the other team. So when the leader called on the team to FF the monk, they did, (hence the called FF), but the leader sees Jarell pull off to attack the warrior instead and then things go from bad to worse and they lose. In that frame of mind (considering the leader may have played a succession of PuG PvP battles with similar poor results or non-listening players), I'm not surprised he vented straight at Jarell...and to top it off, Jarell then replies with what I would consider a damn sarcastic and irritating remark "Calm down, it's just a game...".

Things tend to require a bit of balances: If you expect others to listen/respond to what you want "Calm down and don't insult you", then you have to be able to respond in turn and listen/change behaviour. Meaning pay attention, follow orders, work as a team?

Me? I don't I'd particularly want to re-group with that groups leader OR Jarell. But given the choice, I'd take the shouter rather than someone with a 'its just a game' attitude in PvP battles.

OvertheHill · May 06, 2005, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Ellestar

I agree with you that it's not a good idea to yell on people, but that's what i do. Well, i just can't do anything with it sometimes.
By the way "calm down it's just a game" thing just makes me significantly more angry. For anyone who yells on you this phrase means only that you don't care about a game, your teammates, winning etc, you're just wasting some free time in it. Of course, some other players (including me) will hate you because you effectively said "sure, i suck, but i don't care so get lost" instead of whatever you said in your post here "everyone will learn after a while, no reason to be that angry".

Better be careful who you yell at. Some of us quiet, mild-mannered party members have a whole storehouse full of standby l33t dOOd insults to publically humiliate any loud mouthed wannabe PvP hee-rows that start giving people unnecessary grief.

Principa Discordia · May 06, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

After today, I feel the need to speak out on this issue...

Now, like most people, I also feel that it is wrong to shout at people if they aren't getting it right. In fact, I made something of a mini-career out of being a newbie helper in Star Wars Galaxies for the past year and a half, taking them out to do missions, teaching them how to make money, and even teaching them complex things like crafting.

I tried PvP for the first time today in Guild Wars, random 4 vs. 4 arena. I went in for the first time and naturally I died a couple of times, but I knew how to do the basics such as attacking a called target and calling an appropriate target myself. The rest of my team also knew these basics even though they'd only played one day too. While newbish, I quickly became a productive member of my group, and we won at least 15 times in a row after that. We literally revelled in our newbness, and how despite it, we emerged victorious. We literally became so effective at communication and working together that we were accused of cheating multiple times.

Then we came up against a team who were better and more organised than us, and we all died. Both teams shared their "good game" congratulations while the timer ticked down, and we had fun reflecting on the pretty intense battle. We had fun.

Because we died, we all got thrown back to various districts in the "lobby" for the arena. I had to join a new team. The team I joined didn't know how to call targets or even stick together, but I could handle that as I had rezzing skills and I could give them tips calmly through groupchat. Well, it was peachy, until I noticed they were still doing it and not paying attention to team chat, and I was running out of energy constantly trying to rez them. I asked them politely in teamchat if they understood what I was saying, and in clearly English replies they told me to "STFU whining" and to "FOAD and stop bitching", which confirmed it wasn't simply a case of a language barrier.

We died, and I ended up in another team. The new team was a repeat of the last one, ignorant fools not willing to learn or even to listen. After watching them run in all directions being pounded on 2/3 vs. 1 and trying to rez them, we all died. This happened in at least eight more teams, with them being ignorant and/or telling me to stop bitching regarding my POLITE hints, and so I got mad and shouted, and I logged out.

For now, I have had my fill of retards in random-team PVP. I'm going to look for a guild instead so that I don't have to tolerate this trash.

In closing, to the original poster; What I'm saying is that being nice only gets you so far, there are an incredible number of absolute idiots out there who make people shout. If people are shouting at you, just do your best to make it clear that you're learning, just remember that they're probably only shouting because idiots and imbeciles have made them snap by ruining their team.

Augy · May 06, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

just in response to the rez sigent thing, I dont bring one either. Before you bring your expected "OMG WTF noob?!!!" response, let me point out that we have only 8 skills at any given time with which to use, and all of mine are reserved mostly for dmg.

My philosophy on this is that killing the enemy really really quick foregoes the need to rez in the first place, and wasting (in my view) a slot for what typically is a support class skill when I could put in another AoE is wasting dps.

If the entire party is getting wiped and depending on a nuker (im a E/Me) to save the day, something is wrong with the group dynamic.

I mostly take henchmen anyway, so a rez signet concerns me even less usually.

just my .02

Pevil Lihatuh · May 06, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Personally yes, ok in PvP you are out to win. But it IS only a game. Sure i hate losing. Just coz i think "it's only a game" doesn't mean im not gonna be a lil bit mad if i lose. But at the same time theres NO point in shouting at others. All you'll do is get a rep, no one will want to group with you and they'll all yell back. Or if they even bother to STAY in your group, you can wave bye bye to teamwork because NO ONE is gonna want to listen to you after you've had a go at them, even if you have a valid point.

Ok, so it's 'just' a game... but it still matters how you treat people. Real life, combat situation (dunno... police hostage situation or something maybe? *shrugs*) if you get mad at your guys and have a go at them they're not gonna be in a great mood, their teamwork will suffer and there goes ya hostage.

Jarell · May 06, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

I haven't really had any bad groups for missions or quests, except people leaving, this was just when I tried a bit of PvP before logging for the night. I know I shouldn't take it seriously, but I still get really angry if someone just acts like a total asshat without any regard that maybe someone is new at this kind of thing.

And how do I get yelled at when I'm the only one focusing on the monk, I thought that was who you want to kill first :P

I did kind of mess with the person though, asking them if they wanted to join my guild after they were done yelling at me.

Jarell · May 06, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Nefser

Aye, some poeple can't see their faults at all, but others don't seem to be willing to accept that some people care 'more' about some things than they may.

Also, people are bitchy when they lose, but get a bit kraizee when its due to players:
- not working as a team
- not following leaders orders
- seems to randomly attack targets

Anyway, we don't know the whole story here. Jarell mentions 3 previous battles they won and then losing the last. For all we know this player was continually not FF'ing...(which I infer as he hadn't noticed about the FF statement during fight #4, so may have missed in earlier in that fight or in the other battles as well) and finally in this battle the monk was turning the tide for the other team. So when the leader called on the team to FF the monk, they did, (hence the called FF), but the leader sees Jarell pull off to attack the warrior instead and then things go from bad to worse and they lose. In that frame of mind (considering the leader may have played a succession of PuG PvP battles with similar poor results or non-listening players), I'm not surprised he vented straight at Jarell...and to top it off, Jarell then replies with what I would consider a damn sarcastic and irritating remark "Calm down, it's just a game...".

Things tend to require a bit of balances: If you expect others to listen/respond to what you want "Calm down and don't insult you", then you have to be able to respond in turn and listen/change behaviour. Meaning pay attention, follow orders, work as a team?

Me? I don't I'd particularly want to re-group with that groups leader OR Jarell. But given the choice, I'd take the shouter rather than someone with a 'its just a game' attitude in PvP battles.

Actually, I was the ONLY person attacking the monk. And my asking them to calm down and saying it was just a game was only after a rapid string of insults flung my way.

I'm sorry to hear that you wouldn't want to group with anyone who makes a mistake. I know now to look for called targets but I guess I should be condemned for not knowing that in the first place.

Redfang · May 06, 2005, 04:53 PM // 16:53

If you could see who was behind the keyboard instead of an avatar, you probably wouldn't have to ask.

Don't worry. The uber dude who chewed you out will have their lunch money taken away by the big kid tomorrow.

Jackell · May 06, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Redfang

If you could see who was behind the keyboard instead of an avatar, you probably wouldn't have to ask.

Don't worry. The uber dude who chewed you out will have their lunch money taken away by the big kid tomorrow.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Manderlock · May 06, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Redfang

If you could see who was behind the keyboard instead of an avatar, you probably wouldn't have to ask.

Don't worry. The uber dude who chewed you out will have their lunch money taken away by the big kid tomorrow.

No, its the day after next, tomorrow im scheduled for an atomic-wegie.

Principa Discordia · May 06, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Pevil Lihatuh

Real life, combat situation (dunno... police hostage situation or something maybe? *shrugs*) if you get mad at your guys and have a go at them they're not gonna be in a great mood, their teamwork will suffer and there goes ya hostage.

When people mess up consistently in real-life combat situations they get fired from their job or killed in the process.

Pevil Lihatuh · May 06, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

lol well yes but it was the best i could think of

shhh!

Sideways · May 06, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Simply put: people take games WAY too seriously.

Deaths happen in PVP... and coming out of a 3to1 winstreak, there's NO reason to start yelling at one-another.

Yelling at someone because you don't think they're playing their character/build properly is a sign of significant immaturity. If you see someone on your team make a terrible mistake, and it costs you a match, take them aside and tell them, reasonably.

It's not the end of the world, and NO SINGLE PLAYER is ever going to have a perfect PVP record... so get over yourselves, you haters.

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EDIT:

I don't PVP much in GW yet... because I want to become more familiar with the game first.

However, I used to play FPS games all the time, like MOH:AA and CoD:UO. I was damned good too, maintaining a constant 3:1 ratio of kills:deaths. Sure, sometimes an idiot teammate, running around near me - very loudly - would get me spotted as well, and subsequently killed. Sure, I would then scream profanities at my computer monitor... but I would simply msg them and say "Hey, remain quiet when you're near teammates please... so you don't get us all killed. Thanks." Very VERY rarely do I ever get a negative/immature "STFU N00B" styled response... most times I get a quick apology, and I notice the behavior cease.

Act like you would in real life. Picture everyone you play against as being a 7ft tall, 450lb muscle-head... would you, in real life, walk up to said individual and say "YOU &[email protected] N00B @$#HOLE!!! LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME!!!". No... you wouldn't... so don't let the anonymity of the internet lure you into being an asshat.